tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post1737686960945506820..comments2023-06-07T07:26:14.482-04:00Comments on Anti-Choice is Anti-Awesome: A Note on TrollsThe Pedgehoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07938339360424729672noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-69934376443050213622011-02-01T03:58:41.727-05:002011-02-01T03:58:41.727-05:00What a great web log. I spend hours on the net rea...What a great web log. I spend hours on the net reading blogs, about tons of various subjects. I have to first of all give praise to whoever created your theme and second of all to you for writing what i can only describe as an fabulous article. I honestly believe there is a skill to writing articles that only very few posses and honestly you got it. The combining of demonstrative and upper-class content is by all odds super rare with the astronomic amount of blogs on the cyberspace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-35780837803357004272010-08-29T23:53:08.460-04:002010-08-29T23:53:08.460-04:00I know I'm late joining this debate, but the ...I know I'm late joining this debate, but the ridiculous claims about breast cancer made by Anonymous (the one who advocates for the oppression of women and then complains when she gets called misogynistic) need to be addressed.<br /><br />First of all, she's got her facts wrong about lobule types and their vulnerability to cancer. Type 1 lobules are predominant before pregnancy, and they are the least likely to become cancerous. Types 2 and 3 are associated with pregnancy. Type 3 are the most likely to become cancerous, and are the predominant type when lactation has ceased. Type 4 lobules are associated with lactation, and they turn back into type 3 lobules afterwards. But get this: besides a gradual regression as the woman ages, type 3 lobules - the ones that are most likely to become cancerous - stay the way they are. Nothing happens at the end of a pregnancy to protect you from breast cancer. In fact, you probably end up with less type 3 nodules if you terminate the pregnancy part way through. Not that that's entirely relevant since the link between lobule types and cancer is still a hypothesis. <br /><br />She did NOT cite a peer-reviewed study (she didn't even cite her source properly). She copied stuff off other websites; stuff that was based on a study about hormone replacement during menopause, and on some scholarly articles which also had nothing to do with abortion. In short, she did not submit any proof whatsoever of their being a link between breast cancer and abortion.<br /><br />Now let me list a bunch of groups whose official position is that there is no link between abortion and breast cancer:<br />-The National Cancer Institute<br />-The Canadian Cancer Society<br />-The American Cancer Society<br />-The World Health Organization<br />-The American Medical Organization<br />-The American Coalition of Obstetricians and Gynecologists<br />My favourite is the NCI's, though: "In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. [...] NCI regularly reviews and analyzes the scientific literature on many topics, including various risk factors for breast cancer. Considering the body of literature that has been published since 2003, when NCI held this extensive workshop on early reproductive events and cancer, the evidence overall still does not support early termination of pregnancy as a cause of breast cancer."<br /><br />So if you're considering abortion, or you've had one, and are concerned about breast cancer: don't worry, it's just another anti-choice scare tactic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-74717690689743817552010-02-20T13:52:12.161-05:002010-02-20T13:52:12.161-05:00OK, this is old but I just stumbled upon it today....OK, this is old but I just stumbled upon it today. <br /><br />"if you know you are uneducated and/or oppressed keep your legs closed"<br /><br />Seriously? And how, exactly, do you propose that happens? Tell me, in your world are all men sparkly and float on rainbow colored clouds of happiness? Because over here, in reality, when you are uneducated and oppressed the stance of your legs is generally not up to you.Summerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13389913096175428814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-20298955290151061212009-12-15T00:13:00.584-05:002009-12-15T00:13:00.584-05:00Uh, sorry, Anonymous, but your lack of credible ev...Uh, sorry, Anonymous, but your lack of credible evidence to back up your claim that that was a weak 'essay' leads me to believe that I am not the one who is 'fucking nuts".<br /><br />Btw, the posting limit does not allow someone to type more than some odd 4,000 characters. And THAT SHOULD be obvious, too, but for some reason, it's not...?<br /><br />Never heard of different time zones, I guess.<br /><br /><br /><br />These comments are vetted and posted by the mods, anyways. That IS generally how these blogs work. So, wow. JUST wow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-56506075414437458262009-12-14T17:58:58.022-05:002009-12-14T17:58:58.022-05:00Anonymous said...
Wow anonymous...you're fucki...<i> Anonymous said...<br />Wow anonymous...you're fuckin nuts<br /></i><br /><br />I love when anonymous bitches about anonymous.Who you gonna call?https://www.blogger.com/profile/04452259237239006736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-3240926400001649252009-12-13T19:20:35.240-05:002009-12-13T19:20:35.240-05:00Wow anonymous...you're fuckin nuts...get a lif...Wow anonymous...you're fuckin nuts...get a life! You could have submitted this as the weakest essay ever written in human history. I mean who submits FOUR times at 6:00 in the morning. I'm sorry but I just had to comment on your pathetic nature and...ummmm.argument (cough).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-61340174159801289612009-12-13T09:51:08.885-05:002009-12-13T09:51:08.885-05:00"if you know you are uneducated and/or oppres..."if you know you are uneducated and/or oppressed keep your legs closed"<br /><br />Umm, and you say you're not dehumanizing women? You think punishing a woman for having a uterus is justifiable and not dehumanizing? Based on the fact that a woman can get pregnant you would deny her the same sexual freedoms as her male counterparts AND deny her the same rights that everyone else has: The right to self-determination that supercedes the right to life.<br /><br />Abortion does not '1. kill 2. innocent 5. children' 1. Abortion, itself, is the removal of the fetal placenta from the uterus before the fetus reaches viability. The fetus dies due to incompatibility with life upon separation from the uterus. Kind of like an organ recipient dies on the waiting list due to incompatibility with life upon separation from a working organ. Or do you call that killing? 2. A fetus has the same capacity to be innocent or guilty as a table does. Or do you call your table innocent? 3. There is no medically/legally recognized definition for fetuses that refers to them as children. Or do you call adolescents, adults?<br /><br />Yes, ProCHOICERS HAVE come to recognize the abomination of forced gestation as a nine month violation comparable to rape or slavery. I hope you will, too... in time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-55337715594341633492009-12-13T09:47:38.483-05:002009-12-13T09:47:38.483-05:00"I have never dehumanized a woman....mostly b..."I have never dehumanized a woman....mostly because I am one. I just believe that there are 2 lives in question here."<br /><br />Reading comprehension is your friend. I believe someone already informed you that being a misogynist is irrelevant to one's sex. It holds true for dehumanizing women, too. I already knew you were a woman. I read posts before I comment, after all....<br /><br />I believe there are two lives, as well. I never said there weren't. What I WAS talking about, and you would have realized if you had any interest in reading, was the moral, etc, status of a woman compared to the moral, etc, status of the fetus. And, I do believe, I was talking about the fact that a fetus doesn't deserve more rights than anyone born...? If you don't understand that, I suggest you go back and re-read the previous comments before coming back to re-read the above....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-53105068182886751872009-12-13T09:46:23.618-05:002009-12-13T09:46:23.618-05:00"In my view allowing the killing of innocent ..."In my view allowing the killing of innocent human beings makes for a bigger "DUH"."<br /><br />"Have you talked with a fetus lately? How the hell can you assume that a fetus is not a human being? You'd like to believe it's a clump of cells so you can JUSTIFY killing it for your own benefit."<br /><br />Since you couldn't address what either Killjoy or I were saying, you went into a state of denial? Killjoy was merely referencing your comment about forcing one's beliefs on another and you went off on a tangent snd think that proves something? Sorry to disappoint you but no, it doesn't. In my case, you ignore my reference to parasitic fetuses and fetus in fetu and regurgiate your claim that a fetus is a human being because I haven't talked to it? Uh, newsflash for you, I can't talk to it because IT CAN'T TALK. So, tell me, what, in there and my reference to parasitic fetuses and fetus in fetu, says that it is a human being? <br /><br />You completely ignored EVerything else I said, too. No, I justify the right to CHOOSE by pointing out, as I DID, THAT no one born has the right to exist at the expense of someone else's right to bodily autonomy/self-determination. Your singular lack of understanding of that FACT is often attributed to someone of the PL 'persuasion'. So, wait a minute, I just said no one born has that right, so why would I try to justify ANYthing by saying that a fetus is just a clump of cells, hmmm...? Btw, cells are living, anyways so your next claim got debunked before it was even started.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-36580301074554024382009-12-13T09:43:07.286-05:002009-12-13T09:43:07.286-05:00By posting your own argument you are showing the a...By posting your own argument you are showing the arrogance and ignorance that you write about...not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy.>><br /><br />Cite? Or are you going to fail to provide arguments to back up your claim, now that you've asked me to? Oh, that's right, you're not coming back, so, yes, you are. I guess that's the difference between you and me since I will provide my sources when asked but, you, on the other hand will not. Although, I do have to admit that it is strange that you leave before someone can cite those sources.... Oh, wait....<br /><br />http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3429402.pdf<br /><br />...I guess you just didn't want Katriana or I to demonstrate how 'un'ignorant we really are? Btw, I have a fairly good grasp of the English, Japanese, Spanish and French words and grammar. I know words that few other people know. I think I know when something is a word or not. As Lady Janus and Pedge have pointed out, as well. Whoops, there go your assumptions, again, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-34135948100006674802009-12-11T16:05:21.777-05:002009-12-11T16:05:21.777-05:00Anonymous: Of my quite excellent argument, THAT is...Anonymous: Of my quite excellent argument, THAT is what you decided to attack? Want to know why so many women are uneducated? Male oppression. How do these women get pregnant? Male oppression. This isn't a simple "keep your legs closed" problem. I so wish everything in my world could be totally black and white and oh so simple. Unfortunately, I live in the real world where shades of grey abound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-668913117263625922009-12-09T12:38:50.695-05:002009-12-09T12:38:50.695-05:00Okay so it is probably too late to leave this comm...Okay so it is probably too late to leave this comment, but I am amazed that one post above declared that getting pregnant was like getting fat. The idea is that both obesity and pregnancy are avoidable, but the underlying assumption is that both conditions are based on personal weakness and lack of control. According to this logic, getting fat means being gluttonous and taking excessive pleasure in food, while getting pregnant means being lustful and taking excessive plesure in sex (that is assuming that pleasure can be had without consequences). Both are sinful according to Christian tradition. The anti-abortion position is essentially opposed to bodily pleasure, and tries to punish women who are undisciplined, thinking they can have their cake and eat it too. This is indeed a moralizing position, but one based on making sure women take their lumps for their 'mistakes,' not primarily about protecting embryos.feministincowboybootsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-33363660216866332392009-12-07T13:54:18.938-05:002009-12-07T13:54:18.938-05:00I'm not sure if anyone's linked these yet,...I'm not sure if anyone's linked these yet, but I'd just like to throw in some factual sprinkles on to the lovely Pedgehog's arguments.<br />1. The APA disproved PAS in 1988. Countless studies since then have continued to disprove it's existence.<br />2. Most of the pictures of aborted fetuses are staged or downright fake.<br />3. Stats Can says 90% of abortions are done in the first twelve weeks, before the fetus has a distinct head.<br />4.Stats can also says only 0.7% of abortions are done past the 20th-week.<br />5. The CDC has shown Pregnancy is 13 times more likely to result in death than abortion.<br />6. Giving birth is also ten times more likely to have complications than pregnancy.<br />Some links:<br />The Effects of Pregnancy: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm#back<br />Why Abortion is Moral:<br />http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortionanswers.html<br />Hope these help. ^__^<br />Love,<br /><br />RabbleRabblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16763393521711487360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-39268752273760491602009-12-04T19:38:35.553-05:002009-12-04T19:38:35.553-05:00"scholar" should have been scholars, &qu..."scholar" should have been scholars, "you're" should have been your.aelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-39333794613088806182009-12-04T10:38:13.330-05:002009-12-04T10:38:13.330-05:00Three things:
"Ael: Thanking God for not cre...Three things:<br /><br />"Ael: Thanking God for not creating an atheistic bible? The irony of that statement...ha!"<br /><br />Yes, the statement was intentionally ironic. It was in fact what some scholar refer to as a "joke".<br /><br />"Obama knew full well, as do all politicians (and Lady Gaga), that professing a view opposing either gay marriage or abortion will make your popularity with the masses plummet rapidly. I tend to question if they truly believe the things they claim to stand for or if its just a ploy to gain popularity (things that make you go hmmm...)"<br /><br />Since we're talking about American politicians and being incredibly reductive: polls show that Americans are split on gay marriage and abortion. It's usually close to 50/50 +/- 5 either way depending on the poll/year. So I think that you're "Lady Gaga Syndrome" does not exist.<br /><br />"BTW no other belief has acquired such martyrdom as has been observed in the Christian faith so there must be some credibility to it."<br /><br />Thinking about that more: you're saying that martyring yourself for your faith is good and a sign of the credibility of that faith. How is that not a justification of suicide bombers?<br /><br />And I'm still waiting for your thoughts on Lady Gaga - this is an important issue. The people deserve an answer.aelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-64976654196954552762009-12-03T20:21:24.841-05:002009-12-03T20:21:24.841-05:00"Lady Janus: Highly doubtful that 1.you have ...<i>"Lady Janus: Highly doubtful that 1.you have never dieted (you must be the less than 5% who is actually happy with their body 2.you have NEVER judged anyone...please give me a break)"</i><br /><br />Doubt all you want. It's free. But the fact is that I have never dieted because I don't believe that anyone's value depends on his weight. And no, I do not judge people by how they look.<br /><br /><i>"I just wanted to tell you that I think your belief system is flawed."</i><br /><br />See, here's the thing...it <i>can't</i> be flawed. It's a <i>belief system</i>, not a gemstone! And it's mine, not yours. You don't get to say what it is unless it is yours.<br /><br /><i>"Anonymous: Funnily isn't a word."</i><br /><br />Yeah, it is: http://www.onelook.com/?w=funnily&ls=a Oopsie?Janus Bellatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05467165902363025714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-72282336813960681172009-12-03T10:20:13.473-05:002009-12-03T10:20:13.473-05:00"BTW no other belief has acquired such martyr..."BTW no other belief has acquired such martyrdom as has been observed in the <b>Christian faith</b> so there must be some credibility to it. Atheism has never produced a <b>bible</b> or had as many people die for its cause"<br /><br />You're bullshit religious statements certain fit Christian theology, especially the judgemental asshole side of it.<br /><br />Enjoy you lies.Who you gonna call?https://www.blogger.com/profile/04452259237239006736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-14110060029977832522009-12-03T06:52:52.205-05:002009-12-03T06:52:52.205-05:00"Funnily" IS a word (http://www.merriam-..."Funnily" IS a word (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/funnily). Is "linkie"?The Pedgehoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07938339360424729672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-78704722248647449772009-12-03T00:05:51.222-05:002009-12-03T00:05:51.222-05:00Hello everyone! I have returned since I know you ...Hello everyone! I have returned since I know you have been weeping for my arrival tsk...tsk. This will definitely be my last post. Apparently one cannot go over the 4, 067 word count on here so I will keep it short and to the point...addressing each person with one firm point. Any responses to my post will be in vain as I will never return to this site. I have had my say and that is all I have set out to do.<br /><br />Magos: I NEVER claimed a Christian faith. I simply believe in an afterlife and divine judgment. A person can have a set of beliefs without defining themselves within a particular religion. I am jewish by heritage and do not identify with one religion.<br />Obama knew full well, as do all politicians (and Lady Gaga), that professing a view opposing either gay marriage or abortion will make your popularity with the masses plummet rapidly. I tend to question if they truly believe the things they claim to stand for or if its just a ploy to gain popularity (things that make you go hmmm...)<br /><br />Lady Janus: Highly doubtful that 1.you have never dieted (you must be the less than 5% who is actually happy with their body 2.you have NEVER judged anyone...please give me a break)<br /><br />You need to cool off and realize that I am not going to stop you from doing what you want with your body...I know you will do it anyway. I just wanted to tell you that I think your belief system is flawed.<br /><br />Anonymous: By posting your own argument you are showing the arrogance and ignorance that you write about...not to mention a healthy dose of hypocrisy.<br /><br />Katriana: Jewish is a hertiage AND a religion (I identify with the former thank you). I think you have to back up your 50% claim because it's utter B.S.. You are showing the utter ignorance you claim of me by writing a post such as this without a credible link. I think you just made it up personally.<br /><br />Ael: Thanking God for not creating an atheistic bible? The irony of that statement...ha!<br /><br />Killjoy:the name suits you. Your beliefs are clearly not what mine are so your logic is considered MAJORLY flawed in my perception. In my view allowing the killing of innocent human beings makes for a bigger "DUH".<br /><br />Anonymous: Have you talked with a fetus lately? How the hell can you assume that a fetus is not a human being? You'd like to believe it's a clump of cells so you can JUSTIFY killing it for your own benefit.<br /><br />Anonymous: I have never dehumanized a woman....mostly because I am one. I just believe that there are 2 lives in question here.<br /><br />Anonymous: Funnily isn't a word. Didn't bring myself to read past that major transgression!<br /><br />Anonymous: Linkie please...where are all of you getting that most women who have abortions have failed birth control? I want actual percentages people!<br /><br />Alysha:if you know you are uneducated and/or oppressed keep your legs closed (it's not that difficult). There are rules in life to prevent people from doing whatever they want (e.g stop signs to allow for pedestrians to cross). If everyone does whatever the hell they want this life would be chaos. By my estimation it already is!<br /><br />Thank you everyone for your time and remember abortion kills innocent children. We will learn to regret this human abomination, like so many others in past history, in due time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-31919203085862381312009-12-02T11:20:38.673-05:002009-12-02T11:20:38.673-05:00Just a point Anonymous. Just because we can't ...Just a point Anonymous. Just because we can't explain something, doesn't make it "divine." We couldn't explain many things a 100 years ago that we have perfectly reasonable answers for now. Just in case you ask, an example might be rising of the sun, or the movement of the tides, or electricity, or that the world is round, or that all the continents fit together at one point in time, or how to fly....<br />So, just because we can't explain NOW what induces labour (probably a chemical/hormone) or how life is "created", doesn't mean we won't be able to eventually. I suggest you read Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion". He deals with many of the fallacies of religion. <br />Lastly, please don't feel sorry for me because I don't believe anything happens when I die (other than turning into dirt). It is patronizing and insults my high level of intelligence. I have "heard" the arguments from both sides and at the end of the day, I'm not willing to believe there is an invisible man in the sky who sees all, knows all, loves all, in a world with billions of people, and really cares what I do with my life, as opposed to the millions of children dying in Africa and Asia and around the world. Also, MY problem with religion (one of them, aside from the MILLIONS murdered in the crusades and other incidents in the name of religion) is that while birth control is good and helpful, the Pope doesn't allow birth control so thousands more babies are born to uneducated, oppressed women because some man in a giant white dunce cap says they can't protect themselves. Just a point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-77442861440698918832009-12-01T06:11:08.411-05:002009-12-01T06:11:08.411-05:00If "slapping and tickling" leads to the ...If "slapping and tickling" leads to the creation of another human then it is the business of other people (especially when it includes the murder of that innocent third party).>><br /><br />That's just the other side of the punishment card. Modifying the behaviour of women by enforcing pregnancy on them for experiencing the same sexual freedoms as their male counterparts who may do so, themselves, withOUT an equally enforceable reprisal, IS punishment.<br /><br />Abortion is not murder. Never was, even when it was illegal. Several reasons why. I'll leave it to you to think why that is so, hein?<br /><br />Pregnancy is not 100% preventable. That is pure fantasy based on nothing more than abstinence, itself, NOT on the practice of abstinence, which is more legitimate because we are comparing the PRACTICES of other forms of contraception. Even so, I WILL remind you that MOST women who had an abortion used SOME form of contraception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-2166888555564322042009-12-01T05:58:13.610-05:002009-12-01T05:58:13.610-05:00"While its great to enjoy freedom it should N..."While its great to enjoy freedom it should NEVER be at the expense of another human being."<br /><br />Funnily enough, I mentioned a situation where it was. Amazingly, very few PLers advocate for one's rights to bodily autonomy to be affected in part or fully, in that case. I can only assume that this is because removing that right in THOSE circumstances would affect YOU (general you) unwillingly. Which IS what leads me, et al, to the conclusion that pregnancy is a punishment for women having consensual sex.<br /><br />"Life isn't meant to be too convenient."<br /><br />Umm, what...? That sounds like a rapist saying that forcing a woman to have sex is simply an inconvenience (much more so, yes, by your onw logic, than pregnancy) so it should be allowed on those grounds. Hmmmm....<br /><br />Btw, MOST women who have had abortions were using some form of contraception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-31541206853393713202009-12-01T05:42:17.157-05:002009-12-01T05:42:17.157-05:00PLers, by default, only focus on the fetal life. ...PLers, by default, only focus on the fetal life. If they didn't, they would realize that a woman, a non-obliviate, sensate, thinking and feeling human, canNOT be relegated to the level of a fetus (which IS what this movement does because they ignore the social, mental, physical, medical, legal and emotional agency that a woman has by promoting their stance) withOUT denigrating, dehumanizing, and demeaning women and the role they play in pregnancy OR they would realize that ALL rights to bodily autonomy should be trumped by the right to life, because it is such a non-essential right that people can be deprived of easily, as you believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-88893367856968924522009-12-01T05:33:42.535-05:002009-12-01T05:33:42.535-05:00Sorry, Anonymous. But there are no children invol...Sorry, Anonymous. But there are no children involved. That's just the truth (read; fact). Child either describes a stage of development or a relationship that can only be referenced outside of the uterus. Whether one is a human being or not, makes no difference. Organ recipients DIE on the waiting list because someone else's right to bodily autonomy trumps their right to life. But your movement would attempt to give fetuses that right which means you would give them more rights than anyone born. Sorry, I don't see the correlation between giving fetuses the status of personhood and giving them more rights than ACTUAL persons. <br /><br />You see, a fetus is clinically a person when it is viable and legally a person when it is born alive. To grant fetuses personhood before they are viable means that one grants parasitic fetuses and fetus in fetu personhood, which means, by the logic you've used, that no one can elect to have one or the other removed if they are not immediately threatening their life. BUT, they are allowed to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7663998229877546776.post-39394855426799529542009-11-30T22:32:59.174-05:002009-11-30T22:32:59.174-05:00"BTW no other belief has acquired such martyr..."BTW no other belief has acquired such martyrdom as has been observed in the Christian faith so there must be some credibility to it."<br /><br />Wow, that's just...wow.<br /><br />Logic fail. On so many levels.<br /><br />Also, guess what? If you want to have me imprisoned for failing to behave according to your beliefs, YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS ON ME. <br /><br />Might I add, duh.Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06476127831443312424noreply@blogger.com